DOCTOR WHO.

[Marina]

What bothers me, is that neither Rory nor Amy have that strong of an attachment to Mel/River at all. I mean, her baby is missing, stolen! Shouldn't she be a little depressed? Especially since they know that whatever happens to her, is like really bad.

[tosney]

I don't mind that they go a couple episodes without developing that plot line, cause it's too much to expand every episode, but they should at least address it or have some defunct explanation as to why they're not actively searching for her.

[Marina]

Technically Amy had time to bond with her after she gained consciousness, I'm not sure how long it was though, a couple days? Maybe weeks. And besides, when you know that it's your child that's missing, you go for it.
I don't know, maybe it's because I have a baby sister. Attachment to a helpless being that depends on you doesn't take that long to develop. The second I saw my sister and then held her, I knew I'd kill anyone who'd ever try to hurt her. Hell, even if I didn't know the child and I knew what was going to be done with her, I'd do whatever it took to find her anyway. She's a missing child!

I do agree with the overly bitchy. I mean, I know that thirty six years alone is a long time, but dear, Rory waited for 2000 years. And he didn't complain. So shut up.

[onlyaworkingtitle]

On Amy's attachment: She seemed pretty dead-set on finding Melody until recently. Y'know, what with the hysterics and distraught phone calls to the Doctor through time and space. But then they found out about Melody=Mel=River, and since then... suddenly no mention. It's just too abrupt, with no explanation.

[Marina]

Amy's what? Twenty four? Twenty five? Somewhere in her twenties? I know plenty of people who are much younger than that who've had kids. Yeah, her priorities aren't focused on kids, at all. But then again, we didn't see the real her through the pregnancy. I'm pretty sure if it was the real her, she wouldn't be traveling around with the doctor, it would be like that dream state in which she was pregnant, except it wouldn't be a dream. And maybe for you time traveling with husband and friend would be a priority over a child, but remember it's not like they planned it, nor would Amy get rid of it or you know, abortion (that's just not what the show is about).
I understand that it's hard for you to get an attachment a mother would have to a child, but as someone who's had an experience dealing with a baby... it's really easy. I mean, if one thing my sister taught me is that there's no way I'm having my own kids until I'm way older, so I'm not kid or baby obsessed, but I still love her to death. It doesn't take much to fall in love with your own kid. Remember Rory's reaction? "Omg, I was gonna be cool..." Did you see how emotional they got? That's attachment.

@workingtitle : Yeah, maybe it's another time warp thing. Where they all just forgot? On purpose then?

[Marina]

Yeah, I wasn't trying to lecture you, so no need to get defensive. I was simply explaining my point of view. But do forgive me if I sounded obnoxious.

[embonpoint]

For the record/if anyone cares, I hate Amy, and I hate the treatment Rory gets. He's treated like a bumbling buffoon (that's how it comes across to me anyway), but y'know, anyone remember that time he was a Roman for 2000 years? Because it doesn't seem like the writers do, or Amy does. That was fucking badass and Rory is clearly competent and awesome. It's always Amy or the Doctor getting them into pickles and Rory's just taken for a ride and shoved to the side, except when Amy wants to make a silly 'banter'ish comment (when she's not mooning after the Doctor)... rantrantrant.

[tosney]

^ Ehhh... IMO, they clearly love each other and Amy just isn't the type to moon over people she's affectionate for - she makes fun of them instead. And that's the person Rory loves - it's just a part of her. And they play up and exaggerate their seemingly lopsided relationship for laughs, but I think everyone agrees that Rory's bad ass. And he's a confident enough and awesome person that he doesn't NEED someone to hang all over him for him to feel loved. He'd rather be the one doing the loving. No need to take it so seriously ^_^

[embonpoint]

Yeah, maybe I'd see your point about Amy not mooning over people she's affectionate for, if not for her treatment of the Doctor; it's total hero-worship, as the last episode showed. It bugs me that she's so loopy over the Doctor, but is so not that way over her husband. I get your point about Rory, but at the same time, I think we have seen sometimes (more in the last series, or earlier on anyway) that Rory has been insecure about Amy's feelings, and we have been unsure about them. That's not how it should be. The Doctor is (it appears to me) always Amy's main focus.
It annoys me in general that the Doctor is, more often than not, the best, most amazing, most valuable person in the companion's life, and I dislike Amy, and I dislike the treatment of Rory overall, so each objection I have plays off the other and ok, maybe I get a bit carried away being annoyed by it.
But yeah, maybe we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Marina]

So, was little Amy waiting, Amy's fear? Or was she the doctor's?

If she was Amy's, who do you think the doctor's fear or faith is? Himself?

[tosney]

^ I do love Moffat's trickery. It happens a lot when Amy starts talking about an "amazing man who dropped into my life and changed it forever" or something like that and everyone thinks it's the doctor, but really it's Rory. So he's kinda up-ended that particular status quo.

Edit: Just watched the latest episode. Spoilers:


_{I am CRYING. I'm going to miss Amy and Rory so much.}

[Marina]

Yeah, I mean, if someone told me "you know, you can't always wait for me, I can't always be around." I mean, because I'm so close to them, and I love them, I would still kind of believe in them. Maybe it's more of him providing an escape for Amy, than saving her.

Oh, and yeah, I saw a few things about that on tumblr. I wouldn't have picked it up myself, but he definitely seemed out of character. But it would annoy me a bit it he's another clone or something.

You know, I do believe that the Doctor's greatest fear is himself, because I think it's been hinted at a lot. But what does he have faith in? I mean, I'd need to hear good argument to convince me that he has a lot of faith in himself. Maybe his companions? Like when he was dying and the projections were all of his companions and he kept saying something about how he basically ruined their lives. But they were always there to keep him company and be "impressed" by him.

So, that's yeah, I agree with you about him dropping them off. He does say himself that he'd rather leave them in a good situation than stand over their graves or broken bodies. Because there will come a day when he can't save them.

[embonpoint]

Sept 19, 2011 7:56:34 GMT -5 Eternal Lobster said:

Additional thoughts:

Was it really that believable that Amy would lose faith in the Doctor by him just telling her those things? I'm sorry, it would take A LOT, including actual betrayal, for me to lose my faith in him. Does that mean her faith wasn't that strong to begin with, if a couple sentences completely destroys it? And don't start on the power of words, I am an English major after all

THIS. Ridiculous.

[tosney]

Sept 18, 2011 18:52:36 GMT -5 Marina said:

So, was little Amy waiting, Amy's fear? Or was she the doctor's?

If she was Amy's, who do you think the doctor's fear or faith is? Himself?

It was Amy's. The number on the door was 7, I believe.

Also, just throwing it out there, the images in the room alone destroyed the faith of everyone else. That image was tailored to Amy - that in addition to his words must've been enough.

I'm with Marina. I hope Moffat has something better than flesh doctor - clones.

Also, I'm glad he left them in a good situation but I'm still going to miss them so much. ;(

[Marina]

Wait.... does that mean that's it for them? They're never gonna be together again? NO MORE RORY!!?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!