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Post by onlyaworkingtitle on Jun 23, 2011 0:42:51 GMT -5
... And the Eleventh is enthusiastic to a fault.
(That sounds like a cop-out weakness, but seriously, he'd jump into a volcano for shits and giggles if he wasn't too busy being distracted by shiny things.)
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Post by cyanea on Jun 23, 2011 1:46:43 GMT -5
I think Eleven's major weakness is...he's just too cynical. Where Ten had enthusiasm to a fault, Eleven has a jaded, bitter side.
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Post by Fuck Yeah Dion on Jun 23, 2011 2:19:29 GMT -5
No, I mean like... a weakness. You know, like Kryptonite.
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Post by cyanea on Jun 23, 2011 2:26:56 GMT -5
He's not a superhero, so he can be shot, drowned, etc. The former's happened to him, actually.
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Post by Fuck Yeah Dion on Jun 23, 2011 2:37:35 GMT -5
But then he comes back to life, right? Regenerates?
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Post by cyanea on Jun 23, 2011 2:58:10 GMT -5
It's a quality of his species, the Time Lords. It's an incredibly traumatic event: his body, personality, and behaviour change. For the particular incarnation of the Doctor that's about to regenerate, it is death. The new personality that comes out is technically the same person, but has a different appearance and set of mannerisms. It's something he dreads.
For example, take Ten's regeneration into Eleven.
This came after he absorbed a lethal dose of radiation.
The Doctor's weakness is essentially the same as ours, except he has to suffer through death again and again. Also, Time Lords have a maximum of twelve regenerations, and then permanent death. I'm sure there will be a big deal over it in the show when the time comes for his twelfth.
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Post by andy on Jun 23, 2011 4:18:05 GMT -5
It's a quality of his species, the Time Lords. It's an incredibly traumatic event: his body, personality, and behaviour change. For the particular incarnation of the Doctor that's about to regenerate, it is death. The new personality that comes out is technically the same person, but has a different appearance and set of mannerisms. It's something he dreads. For example, take Ten's regeneration into Eleven. This came after he absorbed a lethal dose of radiation. The Doctor's weakness is essentially the same as ours, except he has to suffer through death again and again. Also, Time Lords have a maximum of twelve regenerations, and then permanent death. I'm sure there will be a big deal over it in the show when the time comes for his twelfth. The Doctor was in a couple of Sarah Jane Adventures episodes last year and said that he can regenerate 507 times. People now think that the 12 regenerations limit was a law/convention/custom rather than a biological limit (we know, for example, that the Master used up all his regenerations then switched to a non-Gallifreian body and tried to get the High Council to get him a new series of regenerations - which probably eventually happened during the Time War when the Time Lords gave him a new body) and since there are no other Time Lords around to count the Doctor's regenerations, he can regenerate as many times as he can. I'm curious to see how they'll twist around his death in The Impossible Astronaut - though they'll probably just say that he managed to be resurrected the same way the Master was resurrected in The End of Time. The problem I have with the Daleks coming back over, and over, and over again is... Okay...the Daleks were all destroyed in the Time War. Except this one on Earth. Fine. But look, they've been hiding out in Earth's solar system all this time! Doctor beats them. Daleks dead for sure. Except the Cult of Skaro survived! And then when the Doctor defeated them, one still survived. They keep coming back in incredibly inane, tropey ways. Even Moffat is guilty of this. Just about everytime they've been defeated since the show came back, the writer tries to subtly hint that this might be the last Dalek ever, even when you as a viewer KNOW it's not. Bring them back full force if you have to have them (and you have to, I know). Have them establish a New Dalek Empire somewhere. Make them a real military force to be threatened with again...not some schemers plotting in the background, only to be defeated with one somehow surviving and living on to plot another day. It wouldn't be Doctor Who if it wasn't full of repetitive plot holes. But I do think 'Victory of the Daleks' was a bit disappointing and I'd rather they didn't feature Daleks at all if they can't give them a good story line. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 4:20:23 GMT -5
Cyanea, I wouldn't say his weaknesses are the same as ours. He's shown to be more resistant to certain physical damage - the number of times he's been electrocuted and just shrugged it off, plus how his body fought off the radiation sickness for far longer than a human could. He's like us, but better  |
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Post by cyanea on Jun 23, 2011 5:35:16 GMT -5
Time Lords are more RESISTANT to damage, yes...but the same things that kill us can kill them, especially if you read/watch/listen to the expanded universe stuff that's not just on television.
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Post by Eternal Lobster on Jun 23, 2011 19:23:30 GMT -5
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Post by onlyaworkingtitle on Jun 23, 2011 21:31:51 GMT -5
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Post by Eternal Lobster on Jun 24, 2011 21:44:06 GMT -5
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Post by inarikins on Jun 25, 2011 0:55:55 GMT -5
[I'm curious to see how they'll twist around his death in The Impossible Astronaut - though they'll probably just say that he managed to be resurrected the same way the Master was resurrected in The End of Time. I just noticed you wrote this. Spoilers for the last two episodes of the first part of season six ahead so DON'T CONTINUE IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THEMI'm of the belief that the Doctor that was killed in The Impossible Astronaut is the Flesh Doctor (we've already seen that he can pretend to be the Real Doctor (using 'Real' and 'Flesh' here just for clarification and not implying that the Flesh!people aren't real) well enough to fool Amy and everybody else) and that the Doctor they meet in the diner is either the Real Doctor that knows nothing about what's going on, or he knows it all and is planning it all. And the Astronaut is, indeed, River. (On the note of River, I was so ready to throw out all the kissing during that scene with the cradle because I was so sure she was his mom. How adorable would that have been? Eleven's such a little kid, it was all I could think about, that she was his mom. Also, I don't hate River. I like River a lot. /unpopular opinion) |
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Post by Gina on Jun 25, 2011 7:58:46 GMT -5
I have been trying to get into Doctor Who for a while. BBC America has tons of repeats on, I just get really confused. I would definitely buy the seasons on DVD so I can just start from the beginning, but then I found out that there's TONS of different Doctors out there, and now I'm more confused than ever.  Eventually, I will get caught up with everything and I WILL be able to post here! |
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Post by Eternal Lobster on Jun 25, 2011 11:44:50 GMT -5
I have been trying to get into Doctor Who for a while. BBC America has tons of repeats on, I just get really confused. I would definitely buy the seasons on DVD so I can just start from the beginning, but then I found out that there's TONS of different Doctors out there, and now I'm more confused than ever. Eventually, I will get caught up with everything and I WILL be able to post here! Start with the Ninth Doctor, who is played by Christopher Eccleston. Doctor Who was put on a hiatus between his Doctor and the previous one, so when it came back it came back in style. From Nine on the series is more modern and (I think) easier to get into than the previous ones. You can always go back and watch the older ones but you won't miss anything by starting with Nine. It is almost like a reboot of the older series. |
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