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Post by onlyaworkingtitle on Dec 2, 2011 22:48:49 GMT -5
I've attained another copy of Feast for Crows (having tragically lost my first copy)! I am excited to get back into it.
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Post by Dodger Thirteen on Dec 4, 2011 23:22:32 GMT -5
Just bought A Clash of Kings today to ensure I had a copy going into Winter Break.
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Post by onlyaworkingtitle on Dec 5, 2011 9:05:41 GMT -5
ARGH. I've located the problem with Feast for Crows: Cersei. She's, like, every third chapter, and most of the others are bit roles to flesh out tiny bits of plot, and the whole time she's narrating my brain's screaming CERSEI I HATE YOU YOU'RE SUCH A SOCIOPATH. The only thing that makes it bearable is Jaime's occasional chapters, and that's because he's watching her and thinking pretty much the same thing.
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Post by Marina on Dec 5, 2011 20:32:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I just thought that it was boring. Still haven't finished it.
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Post by Dodger Thirteen on Dec 7, 2011 18:32:57 GMT -5
Is it just me, or does Jon just not fit as a Brother of the Night's Watch? I just cannot reconcile the two ideas in my brain. It doesn't seem right, like a malfitting puzzle piece.
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Post by Marina on Dec 7, 2011 19:06:51 GMT -5
It's not that he doesn't fit in, I think it's just him being a spoiled little brat and expecting higher treatment. Except no one there cares. I also would like to add that it's him being disillusioned, I think he expected more from the Wall than a falling apart camp of "reforming" criminals.
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Post by Dodger Thirteen on Dec 7, 2011 20:58:46 GMT -5
I can't see Jon as spoiled. He's worked hard to get where he is, that is a talented swordsman and rider. But what else did he have? He was a bastard son of a lord. Most others in his position would not have it as good; he was lucky to have these things. I don't think it's right to blame him for the benefits he had when even in that situation, there was still little he could do once he came of age. Imagine you in Jon's position, with your siblings all being granted higher favour and you being constantly reminded that you are a second-class citizen to them. You are a bastard. You are not a "trueborn" child of your father, even though you are still his child. The only motherly figure in your life hates you for something you had absolutely no control over. You've never known who your mother was.
And then, you decide to take up the black, for "even bastards" can rise high at the Wall. Think about that for a moment. "Even bastards." Even at the Wall, you are still a bastard. You have no mother and your father made a poor choice for which you now suffer. You have no control over that. And, yet, you work hard to better yourself, to rise above the station that society has handed you because it believes you don't deserve anything else.
Maybe I just identify with Jon a lot. My father is, to put it bluntly, a bastard. Yet my father worked hard his whole life and now, my family is well off. I learned the value of hard work and playing your strengths from him. I see myself in Jon, so when I hear/read y'all calling him a "spoiled little brat" or a "whiny bastard," I know I disagree. I don't see any of the things you claim he is in his personality. Many of these claims baffle me as to how you came about them. Perhaps I need to start looking closer, but I don't think I'll be changing my mind any time soon.
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Post by Marina on Dec 7, 2011 21:23:19 GMT -5
I don't disagree with you, but again like you said, Jon still had it better than most 'bastards' would... I think, maybe I'm wrong, it was only Cat who hated him. Which is why I added the second part of my statement and your second paragraph. He thought that the life on the wall would erase the "bastard" label, but it didn't. That's why he doesn't fit it... because he thought he would be accepted... and he still isn't.
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Post by onlyaworkingtitle on Dec 8, 2011 4:17:14 GMT -5
... All I'm gonna say is "Keep reading -- his relationship with the Night's Watch develops interestingly."
And, just to throw my Jon-opinion in the ring, I don't have anything against him. I just think the character's overrated -- so much of what I'd read about the series (before reading the series itself) centered around EVERYONE loving Jon Snow and him being the BAMFiest BAMF to ever BAMF a BAMF (no I don't know what that means)... and he's just not. Also, he does spend an inordinate amount of time angsting about his variously bad situations, and while the angsting might be justified, I have notably little patience for that sort of thing, so... He's in my "meh good guys" pile-o-ASoIaF-characters.
(Also, you might not have seen a lot of his whining about random shit yet, but in the third book it gets to the point where I was just like "Come on get over it already." Nothing to do with his bastardy, that whining -- it was mostly "oh shit chastity WHAT MY VOWS but my penis likes it WOE IS ME," and um sorry for spoilers if that spoils anything but it got really annoying.)
And what was that I said about not saying much? Oops.
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Post by Marina on Dec 8, 2011 18:35:16 GMT -5
Haha. Lol.
Also, off topic a little, what's this I hear about Westeros fan website being a total sexist fest?
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Post by Marina on Dec 8, 2011 18:38:38 GMT -5
Also, can we talk about Cat? I don't wanna spoil Dodger, so you read at your own risk.
I think she's my least favorite of the good guys. There is no end to how much she pissed me off. She was so bland and boring in the first book, she kind of started getting better in the second book, and then got extremely super annoying in the third. SPOILER until you know she ends up the scary thing END SPOILER I was a bit sad over it, especially since it was the Red Wedding. But I was a bit too busy BIG SPOILER mourning for my beloved (and stupid horny) Robb.
Do people like her? If so... WHY!!?
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Post by Dodger Thirteen on Dec 8, 2011 22:22:09 GMT -5
I know what happens to Robb. WHICH SUCKS BECAUSE HE'S ONE OF MY FAVOURITE CHARACTERS. TheyalwayshaveatendencyofdyingperhapsIjustshouldn'tlikeanyone.
I dislike Catelyn immensely, which sucks because she and I share a name (different spellings) and a nickname (I also go by Cat). She's so blinded by her own hatred and she's a ridiculous hot-head. Her uncle seems pretty cool, though.
It's not that she's bland, I don't think, it's just that she's made of steel. Moreso than any of the other women in this series, including Mrs. Bitchfuckface (aka Cersei). She's just so...hard, personality-wise. She doesn't let anyone in except Eddard (insert sex metaphor here) and it's just...really? Everyone else seems to mean nothing to her, except her family. I dislike reading her POVs.
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Post by onlyaworkingtitle on Dec 9, 2011 3:07:01 GMT -5
Catelyn's pretty dull, yeah... But I'm intrigued to see what happens now that she's SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER a zombie. ENDSPOILER (Gosh that's inconvenient...)
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Post by onlyaworkingtitle on Dec 9, 2011 3:08:35 GMT -5
Also, Dodger, were you the one who sent me this link? innatthecrossroads.com/ -- recipes for ASoIaF meals, some of which look totally delicious, a bunch of which look really bizarre. |
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Post by Dodger Thirteen on Dec 9, 2011 11:58:06 GMT -5
Catelyn's pretty dull, yeah... But I'm intrigued to see what happens now that she's SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER a zombie. ENDSPOILER (Gosh that's inconvenient...) I already knew she was going to become a zombie.... Again, I read spoilers. >>; |
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