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Post by thestrangewinston on Jun 9, 2011 18:55:39 GMT -5
Well hey it always could be worse! Ahhh its weird we have probably seen each other before and never thought twice about it :3
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Post by cyanea on Jun 9, 2011 19:03:24 GMT -5
That's what is so spooky about the whole thing. *starts humming Small World* :3
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Post by thestrangewinston on Jun 9, 2011 19:03:54 GMT -5
That's what is so spooky about the whole thing. *starts humming Small World* :3 It really is a small world after all  |
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Post by Olive on Jun 9, 2011 19:43:43 GMT -5
I'm the same way when it comes to being male. I just...don't know anything about being a guy socially. I never did. When I wasn't withdrawn from my peers as a kid and in high school, I acted very "feminine" according to society: I never engaged in gym class, I read a LOT, I wrote a lot, I daydreamed a lot. Masculinity scares me. People who are overly masculine frighten me. I feel deathly uncomfortable around "guys" who talk "guy things", like at my job before last when on break, my coworkers (all male) would generally brag about the girls they did that weekend or "that hot chick that works in the office", and even though I might have agreed that that woman at the office was attractive, their attitude disgusted and scared me. I responded by bringing books to work with me to read on my break, which only intensified the "joking" insults I got from them "all in good fun", that I still despised. I hate that because I have an extra chunk of nerves and tissue between my legs, it's okay for me to behave like that. I hate that advertisers think that I'll buy something just because they stick a pair of breasts next to it (and I like breasts). I don't know how to behave as a male in society. I don't want to know. I hate being male. See... I do that. I don't get vulgar or anything (I don't think), but I've definitely sat in a room full of guys talking about how hot a chick was/how fun a girl was in bed. Terrible, I know, sue me. In fact, most of my guy friends don't include me at all when they talk about girls. They'll make some sweeping comment about my sex, or say something like "I love hanging out with just guys," and when I laugh at them for it, the response is generally "Well, shit, I forgot. You know you're not a girl." I thought that was only something that my older friends did, but after only a few weeks with a new group of guys at college, they were doing the same thing. (Which then cracked me up when they were the same guys making comments about seeing me naked (I had to nude model at my school for a while, tuition payments weren't being made). It just seems ironic that I can be "one of the guys" one minute and an object of feminine sexuality the next.) Ok, this has officially turned into "Olive's TMI time" board... sorry. |
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Post by cyanea on Jun 9, 2011 19:48:45 GMT -5
I'm the same way when it comes to being male. I just...don't know anything about being a guy socially. I never did. When I wasn't withdrawn from my peers as a kid and in high school, I acted very "feminine" according to society: I never engaged in gym class, I read a LOT, I wrote a lot, I daydreamed a lot. Masculinity scares me. People who are overly masculine frighten me. I feel deathly uncomfortable around "guys" who talk "guy things", like at my job before last when on break, my coworkers (all male) would generally brag about the girls they did that weekend or "that hot chick that works in the office", and even though I might have agreed that that woman at the office was attractive, their attitude disgusted and scared me. I responded by bringing books to work with me to read on my break, which only intensified the "joking" insults I got from them "all in good fun", that I still despised. I hate that because I have an extra chunk of nerves and tissue between my legs, it's okay for me to behave like that. I hate that advertisers think that I'll buy something just because they stick a pair of breasts next to it (and I like breasts). I don't know how to behave as a male in society. I don't want to know. I hate being male. See... I do that. I don't get vulgar or anything (I don't think), but I've definitely sat in a room full of guys talking about how hot a chick was/how fun a girl was in bed. Terrible, I know, sue me. In fact, most of my guy friends don't include me at all when they talk about girls. They'll make some sweeping comment about my sex, or say something like "I love hanging out with just guys," and when I laugh at them for it, the response is generally "Well, shit, I forgot. You know you're not a girl." I thought that was only something that my older friends did, but after only a few weeks with a new group of guys at college, they were doing the same thing. (Which then cracked me up when they were the same guys making comments about seeing me naked (I had to nude model at my school for a while, tuition payments weren't being made). It just seems ironic that I can be "one of the guys" one minute and an object of feminine sexuality the next.) Ok, this has officially turned into "Olive's TMI time" board... sorry. Haha. I felt the same way about my post..."This is probably TMI about myself, I should stop." Feels good to say it though. I'm too socially reserved for my own good sometimes. |
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Post by suffixedishness on Jun 11, 2011 18:27:59 GMT -5
I have baby-carrier reproductive equipment and puberty-developed mammaries. I have no intentions of getting surgery or hormone therapy to change any of this. (That's the cissexual.) I'm not entirely sure if I'm non-binary or binary-fluid, but I know I like fucking around with gender roles regardless, so I'm genderqueer. Sometimes I'm male, sometimes I'm female, and sometimes I'm neither. This describes me pretty much exactly. I quite enjoy crossdressing, and I usually wear clothes from the guys' department, although my face is too fine-boned to pull off being a guy very well. That all said, I think I would probably be a lot happier if I had a male body. I don't really enjoy being female most of the time, and have a rabid dislike for it sometimes, although that's generally quelled. I have no desire whatsoever to bear children (I may adopt, maybe, and they will be 2 or 3 when I do), my chest is much too small to get any kind of cleavage going on, and I imagine a penis is just as much fun to have as a vagina during sex, sooo... Plus, guys get to aim where they pee. HOW COOL IS THAT SERIOUSLY I BET THAT IS AWESOME. |
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Post by Olive on Jun 11, 2011 21:31:09 GMT -5
I have baby-carrier reproductive equipment and puberty-developed mammaries. I have no intentions of getting surgery or hormone therapy to change any of this. (That's the cissexual.) I'm not entirely sure if I'm non-binary or binary-fluid, but I know I like fucking around with gender roles regardless, so I'm genderqueer. Sometimes I'm male, sometimes I'm female, and sometimes I'm neither. This describes me pretty much exactly. I quite enjoy crossdressing, and I usually wear clothes from the guys' department, although my face is too fine-boned to pull off being a guy very well. That all said, I think I would probably be a lot happier if I had a male body. I don't really enjoy being female most of the time, and have a rabid dislike for it sometimes, although that's generally quelled. I have no desire whatsoever to bear children (I may adopt, maybe, and they will be 2 or 3 when I do), my chest is much too small to get any kind of cleavage going on, and I imagine a penis is just as much fun to have as a vagina during sex, sooo... Plus, guys get to aim where they pee. HOW COOL IS THAT SERIOUSLY I BET THAT IS AWESOME. BUT HOW DO THEY WALK? I CAN'T EVER FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WALK. |
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Post by suffixedishness on Jun 11, 2011 21:37:07 GMT -5
Well, guys walk with a somewhat wider stance than ladies, and they don't have hips/thighs that are as wide, either. I don't know if that's all, but it seems like it would contribute to it.
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Post by onlyaworkingtitle on Jun 11, 2011 22:24:15 GMT -5
I imagine a penis is just as much fun to have as a vagina during sex, sooo... Well, quantifiably, probably not. I mean, the clitoris has several times as many nerve endings as the whole male organ, in a fraction of the size. So it stands to reason that vaginas get more enjoyment out of (well-executed) sex. |
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Post by suffixedishness on Jun 11, 2011 22:36:32 GMT -5
Penis-equipped people seem to enjoy it just as much as vagina-equipped people, though, so it really can't be that bad. I suppose if you've never experienced it the other way, though...
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Post by meggieinluckey on Jun 13, 2011 15:53:19 GMT -5
I identify as a female bodied lady. Fairly run-of-the-mill, I know.
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Post by meggieinluckey on Jun 13, 2011 15:55:18 GMT -5
Although I will admit that I have a fairly non-sexual desire to be able to penetrate a man with a phallic like object, similar to male active penetrative sex acts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2011 5:43:52 GMT -5
I'm very much in favour of the 'queer' label as a catch-all for non-heteronormative, non-vanilla (missionary position, lights off, fuck 'til you make a baby) sexualities and gender identities, but I'm a cisgender and cissexual gay man who really doesn't know what to think about the gender binary. I mean, I don't play sports, I don't like fast cars, I don't do DIY, I don't have sex with women - I'm far from the stereotypical man. But I'm still male-sexed, because I have male sexy fun parts. But I still identify as a man, even though I don't conform to the stereotypes and I don't know what that really means when divorced from sex. Obviously what 'man' and 'woman' mean in terms of gender is socially constructed, and those roles have become a lot more loosely defined in the last 50-100 years (at least in the Western World), but I know that doesn't make them any less real. The real question is, if what happens to be socially agreed to be characteristics of men or women are completely arbitrary, why have any other reason than convention to follow them? If gender is a social construct, then however you feel about your gender is perfectly valid. But does that mean I'm limiting myself by not purposefully transcending gender and embracing the full range of queerness? Or am I just being a philosophical wanker who has no conception of how seriously central to the self someone's gender is, especially if their assigned gender is different from their sex, and who is only playing with the concept because he's privileged enough to do so without repression and feels like he's missing out if he doesn't? Maybe (probably) I'm overthinking this, but please tell me what you think. Also tell me if this post makes sense or if it's just another confused rant  |
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Post by onlyaworkingtitle on Jun 16, 2011 4:51:45 GMT -5
I'm very much in favour of the 'queer' label as a catch-all for non-heteronormative, non-vanilla (missionary position, lights off, fuck 'til you make a baby) sexualities and gender identities, but I'm a cisgender and cissexual gay man who really doesn't know what to think about the gender binary. I mean, I don't play sports, I don't like fast cars, I don't do DIY, I don't have sex with women - I'm far from the stereotypical man. But I'm still male-sexed, because I have male sexy fun parts. But I still identify as a man, even though I don't conform to the stereotypes and I don't know what that really means when divorced from sex. Obviously what 'man' and 'woman' mean in terms of gender is socially constructed, and those roles have become a lot more loosely defined in the last 50-100 years (at least in the Western World), but I know that doesn't make them any less real. The real question is, if what happens to be socially agreed to be characteristics of men or women are completely arbitrary, why have any other reason than convention to follow them? If gender is a social construct, then however you feel about your gender is perfectly valid. But does that mean I'm limiting myself by not purposefully transcending gender and embracing the full range of queerness? Or am I just being a philosophical wanker who has no conception of how seriously central to the self someone's gender is, especially if their assigned gender is different from their sex, and who is only playing with the concept because he's privileged enough to do so without repression and feels like he's missing out if he doesn't? Maybe (probably) I'm overthinking this, but please tell me what you think. Also tell me if this post makes sense or if it's just another confused rant I've had similarly circuitous thought-patterns on the topic -- wearing a dress is only "womanly" because society says so, but then do male-bodied people who like to wear dresses identify as "women" based on society, or on themselves? (Dress-wearing is, of course, the most basic [and highly limited] example, but I'm using it here as an umbrella-term to hold all the other stereotypically "womanly" activities and traits.) It's one of those conundrums that we'll just have to take the word of the experts (that is to say, of the people who identify with a gender other than what the doctor said when they pulled them out and said "It's a ___!"), because we cisgender folks just can't relate. So we'll fight for their rights to be of whatever sexual orientation they find themselves orientated to, and accept on good will that they're not all making it up as some huge conspiracy. (Apoligies in advance if this reply makes little sense; I really should be asleep now.) |
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Post by cyanea on Jun 16, 2011 5:40:03 GMT -5
I'm very much in favour of the 'queer' label as a catch-all for non-heteronormative, non-vanilla (missionary position, lights off, fuck 'til you make a baby) sexualities and gender identities, but I'm a cisgender and cissexual gay man who really doesn't know what to think about the gender binary. I mean, I don't play sports, I don't like fast cars, I don't do DIY, I don't have sex with women - I'm far from the stereotypical man. But I'm still male-sexed, because I have male sexy fun parts. But I still identify as a man, even though I don't conform to the stereotypes and I don't know what that really means when divorced from sex. Obviously what 'man' and 'woman' mean in terms of gender is socially constructed, and those roles have become a lot more loosely defined in the last 50-100 years (at least in the Western World), but I know that doesn't make them any less real. The real question is, if what happens to be socially agreed to be characteristics of men or women are completely arbitrary, why have any other reason than convention to follow them? If gender is a social construct, then however you feel about your gender is perfectly valid. But does that mean I'm limiting myself by not purposefully transcending gender and embracing the full range of queerness? Or am I just being a philosophical wanker who has no conception of how seriously central to the self someone's gender is, especially if their assigned gender is different from their sex, and who is only playing with the concept because he's privileged enough to do so without repression and feels like he's missing out if he doesn't? Maybe (probably) I'm overthinking this, but please tell me what you think. Also tell me if this post makes sense or if it's just another confused rant I've had similarly circuitous thought-patterns on the topic -- wearing a dress is only "womanly" because society says so, but then do male-bodied people who like to wear dresses identify as "women" based on society, or on themselves? (Dress-wearing is, of course, the most basic [and highly limited] example, but I'm using it here as an umbrella-term to hold all the other stereotypically "womanly" activities and traits.) It's one of those conundrums that we'll just have to take the word of the experts (that is to say, of the people who identify with a gender other than what the doctor said when they pulled them out and said "It's a ___!"), because we cisgender folks just can't relate. So we'll fight for their rights to be of whatever sexual orientation they find themselves orientated to, and accept on good will that they're not all making it up as some huge conspiracy. (Apoligies in advance if this reply makes little sense; I really should be asleep now.) I know that my pitiful attempts to explain my gender identity were just that. It's...hard to put into words other than to say that I just feel wrong as a male, and those feelings stem from the discomfort I felt at male gender roles, socially assigned or not. I know I don't speak for my trans brothers and sisters, but it's like trying to explain something when you don't know the language. |
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