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Post by Fuck Yeah Dion on Jun 13, 2011 19:54:55 GMT -5
I think earlier, in the beginning of the thread, one of the things that most everyone agreed on was that literature was the written word. What we haven't agreed on was everything else. If it is not written, it is not literature. But why? |
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Post by Marina on Jun 13, 2011 19:55:46 GMT -5
Because of tomatoes, Dion. Because of Tomatoes.
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Post by Dobby on Jun 13, 2011 19:55:59 GMT -5
What I'm asking is why. Why is it that the speech doesn't become literature until it's written down? What changes? The Jay-Z example is a little better at explaining the conflict I'm trying to point out. Because I don't think songs are lit. Song lyrics are, when they're written down. I agree. |
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Post by Fuck Yeah Dion on Jun 13, 2011 19:57:42 GMT -5
What I'm asking is why. Why is it that the speech doesn't become literature until it's written down? What changes? The Jay-Z example is a little better at explaining the conflict I'm trying to point out. Because I don't think songs are lit. Song lyrics are, when they're written down. But whyyyyyy? |
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Post by Fuck Yeah Dion on Jun 13, 2011 19:58:38 GMT -5
Because of tomatoes, Dion. Because of Tomatoes. Hhahaha. Phonebooks = literature. Jay-Z lyrics = not literature. |
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Post by Marina on Jun 13, 2011 19:59:32 GMT -5
Because of tomatoes, Dion. Because of Tomatoes. Hhahaha. Phonebooks = literature. Jay-Z lyrics = not literature. Phonebooks are written on both paper and electronic form. His lyrics are not, as you claim! |
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Post by cyanea on Jun 13, 2011 20:00:15 GMT -5
Literature uses the written word to convey meaning: it may alter the standard form or violate rules, but in the end it still relies on words.
Songs don't always rely on words. Songs can rely on instrumentation, vocal tricks, and sound editing to convey meaning.
Because of that, I don't see the performance of a song (whether on a CD or live) to be literature. The insert that has the lyrics on it is lit.
That's the way I see it.
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Post by Fuck Yeah Dion on Jun 13, 2011 20:04:07 GMT -5
Again, this removes musical artists from literature completely. Very few musical artists type up their own insert sleeves. So, none of them create literature?
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Post by Dobby on Jun 13, 2011 20:05:51 GMT -5
Again, this removes musical artists from literature completely. Very few musical artists type up their own insert sleeves. So, none of them create literature? But the artist still created the lyrics. This argument is like saying that since Shakespeare didn't type up all the editions of his plays and poems, he didn't create literature. |
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Post by cyanea on Jun 13, 2011 20:06:50 GMT -5
Shakespeare didn't write down the majority of his plays. Most of what we have of his early plays are reconstructed from audience and cast memory. We still credit him with those plays.
If I listen to an audiobook and start typing it up, is anyone going to credit me for writing the story?
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Post by andreaisabbbw on Jun 13, 2011 20:08:23 GMT -5
Anything can be literature if you can apply a school of criticism to it.
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Post by Fuck Yeah Dion on Jun 13, 2011 20:10:13 GMT -5
Again, this removes musical artists from literature completely. Very few musical artists type up their own insert sleeves. So, none of them create literature? But the artist still created the lyrics. This argument is like saying that since Shakespeare didn't type up all the editions of his plays and poems, he didn't create literature. So, Jay-Z's lyrics are literature? |
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Post by Fuck Yeah Dion on Jun 13, 2011 20:11:14 GMT -5
Anything can be literature if you can apply a school of criticism to it. This is what I'm trying to get at. I completely agree. |
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Post by cyanea on Jun 13, 2011 20:11:16 GMT -5
But the artist still created the lyrics. This argument is like saying that since Shakespeare didn't type up all the editions of his plays and poems, he didn't create literature. So, Jay-Z's lyrics are literature? Only in their on-paper, written- down form and made with tomatoes! |
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Post by Marina on Jun 13, 2011 20:11:38 GMT -5
But the artist still created the lyrics. This argument is like saying that since Shakespeare didn't type up all the editions of his plays and poems, he didn't create literature. So, Jay-Z's lyrics are literature? Not until someone writes them down, it doesn't matter if it's not him, as long as he's the original creator, then his lyrics are literature. |
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